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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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for the 6th of february 2022 richard

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saunders coming to you from sydney

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australia once again

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this week on the show we have you can

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count on adrian with adrian hill

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looking at numbers once again looking at

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numbers

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this week

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adrian looks at the mystical and

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mysterious meanings behind

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the number seven

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seven is seven a good luck number a bad

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luck number is seven out of luck

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or none of the above

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what does numerology have to say about

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your personality

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and the number seven

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are you people born on the seventh of a

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month or in the seventh month or in 1970

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or 1977

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or in 1967 or 19

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you get the idea

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you can count on adrian with adrian hill

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coming up at the top of the show then we

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have

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uh we sort of ease drop a little bit we

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catch up with susan gerbic

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who was recently awarded an award

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you get awarded

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an award yeah that sort of makes sense

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and we also have something right in the

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middle of the show we normally leave to

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the easter egg

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it's the dice game i thought since susan

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there were some other people

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on the zoom meeting i would play the

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dice game and bear in mind that susan

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always picks the number five when we

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play this game

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what happened this week find out

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then to round off the show it's back

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into the trove archives and picking up

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from last week we look at spoon bending

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who um well sort of jumped on the band

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wagon so to speak of spoon bending and

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now keep listening at the end of the

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episode for more announcements from me

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but now it's time for me to run

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raid the pantry

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i've heard korean pancakes are very nice

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any pancakes will do

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well i do that i hope you enjoy the

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you can count on adrian

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while i was participating in the great

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australian prediction project something

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seven years war the seven year itch or

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numerology and voila a plethora of

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have to i'm still confused to be honest

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numerology seems to be a mixture of

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superstition and jargon but very little

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richard did some digging for me and

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found that lynne kelly studied the

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methods of many numerologies in her 2004

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paranormal in it she says quote mclean

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seven years of bad luck they go into

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of your luck and simply replace your

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broken mirror end quote

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but then they make my day with this line

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take charge of your luck and simply

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replace your broken mirror end quote of

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course they suggest that murray glass

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replace it for you brilliant

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seals seven trumpet plagues seven

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some of the more fun superstitions that

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particular order quote

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of the month you will have trouble with

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not sure how i've managed to stay out of

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as we have found with the number three

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seven can be considered to be both good

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and bad and likely depends upon our

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usual culprit confirmation bias to keep

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these superstitions alive

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waffles for my family with some nice

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unlucky thing to do as i've just

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realized that the word waffles

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until next time this is adrian hill

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hi susan out for some shopping eh yep

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no no no no you need to buy the real

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thing from canada

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but i saw the tv commercial and it said

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that noted pancake eating expert richard

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saunders says it's the best maple syrup

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money can buy and sixty percent of

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people preferred in a blind taste test

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everyone knows it's the best oh come on

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susan you know better than that that's

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the argument from authority it is

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or is it the argument from popularity

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hmm

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it might be another logical fallacy i'm

296
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not sure really if only we had a way of

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[Music]

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hello everyone oh my it's the skeptical

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fairy godmother angel from the internet

300
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yes that's right but how did you know

301
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who i am i listening to the skeptic zone

302
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podcast

303
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also didn't you used to be the tooth

304
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fairy oh

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yes

306
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i remember you

307
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i'll never forget your left upper

308
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lateral incisor would you like it back

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no

310
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it's okay

311
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you keep it hey skeptical fairy

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godmother angel what are you doing here

313
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in the supermarket i've come to tell you

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that you can find out about 40 different

315
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logical fallacies on youtube in one

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handy location

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listen to each one to hear an

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explanation and examples of how they

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just go to tinyurl.com

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logicalzone and you'll find all the

321
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logical fallacies with michelle bickers

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mark with handy time codes to get to the

323
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exact one you want who is michelle

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bigesma

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um just a friend of mine

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tinyurl.com

327
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logicalzone thank you skeptical fairy

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godmother angel

329
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i guess you'll disappear in a puff of

330
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smoke and thunder now eh

331
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um

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not quite yet i have a bit of shopping

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to do

334
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susan

335
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yes

336
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where do i find the australian maple

337
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syrup hmm

338
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what no no no no come with me so-called

339
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skeptical fairy this is real maple syrup

340
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[Music]

341
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i think we need to think

342
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[Music]

343
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now just before we get to susan and i

344
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recorded this a few days ago before we

345
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were playing a game of trivia with the

346
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trivia gang the committee for skeptical

347
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inquiry awards the robert p

348
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bales annual prize in critical thinking

349
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the 2 500 award is given to the creator

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of the published work that best

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exemplifies healthy skepticism logical

352
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analysis or empirical science normally

353
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this is given every year at cycon

354
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however owing to covert and other delays

355
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we are only just discovering that the

356
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2019 award has been awarded to our good

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friend

358
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susan gerbic

359
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yeah hi richard hello susan

360
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congratulations

361
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thank you very much what's in that

362
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what is that award i'm not familiar with

363
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that bails award here i will look it up

364
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bail

365
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i will look i put this wikipedia page

366
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together which is part of the problem

367
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with the reason why i'm having some

368
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troll let's go darwin

369
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um

370
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it's the is it the something bales award

371
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it's the um it's super heavy

372
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it's the super heavy award

373
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it is so heavy it is the uh robert

374
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p bells b-a-l-l-e-s robert susan gerber

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has won the robert p bales award for

376
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in critical thinking yes susan gerbic

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investigation of psychics 2019. well

378
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done and congratulations and by the way

379
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i am recording this for the skeptic's

380
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own susan what do you have

381
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what was your reaction

382
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it was a surprise

383
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absolutely it's a 2019 award

384
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and it is the

385
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it is uh was a oh it's a big deal it's a

386
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robert p bales award and it is

387
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a prize given to the creator of the

388
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published work that best exemplifies

389
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healthy skepticism logical analysis or

390
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empirical evidence

391
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and it was established through a

392
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memorial fund years and years ago and

393
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some of the other people who have won it

394
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are ben goldacre

395
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stephen novella richard weissman

396
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hmm good carpet good company

397
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uh yeah

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maria conocovia

399
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and

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donald prothrow

401
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so it's usually given an award for

402
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literature so if you if you for some

403
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sort of

404
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book you have come out so i never ever

405
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thought that i would ever be able to win

406
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this because

407
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but i guess wikipedia is hi ellen um

408
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it is heavy can you hold that up

409
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one more time for me just to the camera

410
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so i can have a good look

411
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,080
wow that's beautiful um cut glass sort

412
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:06,720
of uh award isn't it with the engraving

413
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:08,799
it takes a gorilla to lift one of those

414
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those suits

415
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only gorillas can lift these yeah

416
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probably 10 pounds or something

417
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:17,280
and mark says not to put it by the

418
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window because like with a crystal ball

419
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you know when the the they said the

420
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fires are started with crystal balls

421
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next to the window it's a magnet for the

422
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cats you know that they're going to come

423
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up and go bat

424
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no actually they never do my cats have

425
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never knocked anything over look at all

426
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the stuff that's sitting here she's got

427
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:35,760
a gargoyle she's got is it a gargoyle in

428
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the background there she's got a picture

429
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:39,440
that's a gargoyle

430
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and she felt that

431
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,400
you know we had to have a gargoyle and

432
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then there's a there's a randy doll

433
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james randy

434
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when they were little

435
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:49,039
there's my um what is that called what

436
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do we decide it's not a gargoyle i can't

437
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remember

438
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it's a grotesque it's a grotesque it's a

439
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grotesque folks we're looking we're just

440
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about to play a little bit of trivia but

441
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,240
i thought i would come in early and

442
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:02,799
congratulate you um susan i don't know

443
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,640
if you heard my shout out to you a week

444
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:06,480
or two on the skeptic zone i said you do

445
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,480
more than skeptic for skepticism than

446
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,720
just about anybody i know which is true

447
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and that's reflected in the fact that

448
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:13,760
you've won this uh

449
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prestigious award and to celebrate

450
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:17,840
to celebrate susan

451
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,559
oh yes here it comes oh it's at number

452
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,919
five we're going to highlight we're

453
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:24,240
going to be rigged okay we're going to

454
00:19:26,789 --> 00:19:25,679
play the dice game now you want

455
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:26,799
everybody we're going to play the dice

456
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:28,720
game complain in the past that you can't

457
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:30,799
see the the the apparatus well here it

458
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,679
is

459
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,520
there it goes okay okay wait here comes

460
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:35,679
peggy let's let her up the door hold on

461
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:38,080
okay all right so everybody everybody

462
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:39,840
put your prediction there's about six or

463
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:41,440
seven people here put your prediction

464
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,840
into the chat window in zoo oh three

465
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:47,440
five

466
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:48,640
oh

467
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:57,669
just about every number is covered i

468
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,760
think i see nobody's putting five so

469
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:01,760
here we go roll they know that it's

470
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:08,630
no way no way

471
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,799
and that's on video y'all you have to

472
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:12,960
you would not believe it that is real

473
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,200
it's a five and you're only a one and

474
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,360
six chance but it never happened you

475
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,039
will see that i guess this isn't an

476
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,919
award yeah it's amazing okay we're gonna

477
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,000
do it again yep two more times so next

478
00:20:28,050 --> 00:20:25,919
guess is everybody next time

479
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:28,060
my goal is to get five five five come on

480
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,440
[Music]

481
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:31,440
put your guess in the chat quick one to

482
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:32,480
six

483
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:33,440
okay

484
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,880
and

485
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:37,120
here it comes

486
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,720
no way yes

487
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,640
oh my gosh

488
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:43,440
oh it's a trick dice it's not

489
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:46,799
i promise you it is it is not a drug no

490
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,470
i did not buy a special dice that would

491
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,159
only come up with five i promise you

492
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,559
there's no way no it has to be a trick

493
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:58,799
dog this look it's

494
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,080
well you can't go one more time see that

495
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,080
it's just random random round all right

496
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:05,280
one more time

497
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,600
the odds are one and six it's going to

498
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,240
be a five minutes

499
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:14,080
i've been asking for this for a year

500
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:31,029
no i promise you

501
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,870
you did it what are the odds of that you

502
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,640
did it you calculate that

503
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,480
well we have to define the hypothesis

504
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,720
we're testing the chance of the die is

505
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:44,640
fair versus richard is the sleight of

506
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,679
hand okay so yeah or

507
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,679
pull out on the table

508
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,840
yeah yeah look look look

509
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,640
at this

510
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:54,240
ready

511
00:22:09,110 --> 00:21:55,760
four

512
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,870
watch this

513
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,789
[Music]

514
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:16,720
you and i have put down four every time

515
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,919
and i don't think a four has shown up

516
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:19,760
there at all

517
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,799
this

518
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,200
really did happen it was no sleight of

519
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,159
hand it's no magic dice susan you've got

520
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,549
well

521
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,200
okay yeah it really looks dogs living

522
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,200
together and you know

523
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,799
and you know that in all the years i've

524
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,039
been doing this i simply read out the

525
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,520
number and it was videoed you all saw it

526
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,520
this is no sleight of hand

527
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,600
wow

528
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,799
they don't believe me they're all

529
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:48,159
skeptical

530
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,880
but the thing is it's got it five five

531
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:54,960
five has got as much chances coming up

532
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,400
as six four two or five two two

533
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,559
it happened of course that's why i've

534
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:02,000
been trying for the same number now i

535
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,280
guess i'm gonna have to try for another

536
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:04,720
number

537
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:08,080
okay so there's 216 possibilities two to

538
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,600
two no two hundred and uh

539
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:14,159
there i haven't figured that out

540
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,600
but anyway turn to the next skeptics in

541
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,440
in all honesty and you all saw it

542
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,880
because it was videoed and people can

543
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,280
watch this video again no magic dice no

544
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,159
sleight of hand susan you really did get

545
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:29,840
five five five 2016 yeah

546
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:31,919
i'm okay i'll

547
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:35,490
believe it for the moment

548
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,080
[Music]

549
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:48,640
hi this is dr pamela gay from astronomy

550
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,600
cast

551
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,679
each week fraser cain and i take our

552
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,520
listeners on a fact-based journey

553
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:55,760
through the cosmos with our weekly

554
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,640
podcast we explain not just what we know

555
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,200
but how we know what we know about this

556
00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:03,120
universe that we share

557
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,520
check us out at

558
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,559
astronomycast.com and look for us in

559
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,880
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560
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561
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:30,549
[Music]

562
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,630
now it's time to dive into those digital

563
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,960
archives again from newspapers around

564
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the world in what we like to call the

565
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,760
trove segment because most of the

566
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,760
stories we get are from australia from

567
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:43,679
the trove archive

568
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:44,840
at

569
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,760
trove.nla dot a u

570
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,760
thousands of digitized newspapers and so

571
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:50,640
on

572
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:56,559
afield to an american archive

573
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,760
and following on from last week's show

574
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,640
which we were really looking at

575
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,799
curly and photography but it's sort of

576
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:05,679
uh

577
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:08,720
it sort of went off in tangents and we

578
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:12,000
read the account of a so-called psychic

579
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,039
kid

580
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,279
one colleen cummins

581
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,880
now the author of the piece bob

582
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:19,120
kirkpatrick seemed to be quite taken

583
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,240
with the

584
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:22,720
supposed abilities of young colleen who

585
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,080
could bend spoons and forks

586
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,600
so much so

587
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,520
that i have found another piece by him

588
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,000
along a similar line so i think it's

589
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:34,000
worth reporting on

590
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,039
and

591
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:36,720
this comes from

592
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,159
sunday january the 4th 1976 which places

593
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,039
it right smack bang in the middle

594
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:44,880
slightly maybe

595
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:47,600
slightly later on in the middle

596
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:51,120
hard to say of the whole yuri gala spoon

597
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:52,159
bending

598
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,480
psychic goings on of the 1970s so

599
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,039
sunday january the 4th 1976

600
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,840
and this is in the santa ana register

601
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:03,600
in the

602
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,610
county boys explore eerie psychic world

603
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:15,669
[Music]

604
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,559
two orange county youngsters have joined

605
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,960
the spoon bending set duplicating the

606
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,440
psychokinetic power of israeli psychic

607
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,799
urigela

608
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:26,559
the first to enter the

609
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:29,440
geller effect arena was a ten-year-old

610
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,480
boy in la palma david shepherd

611
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,080
young david began

612
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,679
warping silverware early last summer

613
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,559
witnesses to his unusual psychic power

614
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,200
include dr william sundgren a

615
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,440
psychologist and junior high school

616
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:47,520
counselor in anaheim

617
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,360
apollo astronaut dr edgar b mitchell

618
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,200
founder and president of the institute

619
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,559
of noetic sciences in palo alto now

620
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,240
quick look at wikipedia just quickly

621
00:27:03,510 --> 00:26:59,679
noetic science is a branch of

622
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:03,520
metaphysics concerned with the study of

623
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,840
mind and

624
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:07,760
intellect paul bannister a reporter for

625
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:11,120
the weekly national enquirer john yench

626
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:14,799
anaheim bulletin staff writer and stuart

627
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,320
rob anaheim a longtime parapsychological

628
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,720
researcher lecturer and author

629
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,200
who on several occasions has had david

630
00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:25,360
demonstrate his psychokinetic power

631
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,240
before adult and extension classes in

632
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,880
parapsychology

633
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:31,760
so

634
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:35,679
a 10 year old boy can fool all these

635
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,370
people

636
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:39,440
[Applause]

637
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,640
like colleen cummins of long beach david

638
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,679
is a

639
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,240
completely normal youngster in all

640
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,440
respects

641
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,440
with interests and

642
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,919
activities one would expect of a 10 year

643
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,039
old

644
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,520
except for his difficult to explain

645
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:56,960
ability to

646
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,480
contort metal objects at will

647
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:02,559
by what mitchell describes as

648
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,679
non-physical means like many adults who

649
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,720
have achieved the geller effect david

650
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,760
had never observed in fact had never

651
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:13,840
heard of psychic geller before

652
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,520
discovering the powers of psychokinesis

653
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:19,279
oh yeah

654
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,720
as the blue-eyed metal mangler

655
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,000
recalls

656
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,960
it was sometime around april that

657
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,960
our family went to a hobby show in long

658
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,360
beach i glanced at a booth where a lady

659
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,960
was holding a spoon

660
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,640
i found my parents and told them about

661
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,720
the lady and the spoon we went there and

662
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,279
saw her stroking spoons gently until

663
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,200
they bent by themselves

664
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,480
the lady asked them to try it

665
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,480
they tried it but the spoons would not

666
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,880
bend and when i tried it i could not

667
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:50,720
make them bend either

668
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,679
a few days later i tried to do it again

669
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,399
this time the spoons bent a bit my

670
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,600
father saw it and has got me to do it

671
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,760
several times since

672
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,919
asked to describe how he achieves the

673
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,279
phenomenon

674
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,600
david explained simply i just think

675
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,320
about the spoon bending and wish that it

676
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,960
would i sort of feel energy going into

677
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,480
the spoon

678
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,440
sort of wish that it would go there and

679
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,480
it does

680
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:20,880
and like colleen david doesn't object to

681
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,240
a gallery of observers in fact he claims

682
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:25,919
he performs better when people are

683
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:28,880
around it's as if i can draw upon them

684
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,159
for energy the youngster observes

685
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,880
david's parents harry and sharon shepard

686
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,520
who admit to a long-standing interest in

687
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:40,480
psychic phenomena have been careful not

688
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:43,919
to try to influence him in any way in

689
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,039
the exercise of his strange power

690
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,480
as harry shepard explained it we don't

691
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,279
want to push the boy in any way

692
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,760
at the same time we don't want to say no

693
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,840
you cannot do that we just want to let

694
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,480
him develop on his own and regard this

695
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,039
simply as another activity of his

696
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,360
although willing to have david engage in

697
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:07,360
scientific research in the study of his

698
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,559
power

699
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,200
the shepherds don't wish to discuss

700
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,679
details for any planned studies

701
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,760
undue publicity they fear might

702
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,679
jeopardize the research

703
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,000
an added facet to young david's power is

704
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,960
the apparent ability to achieve healing

705
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,039
according to his father who reports that

706
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,600
the boy periodically attends a healing

707
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:29,760
clinic in santa monica

708
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,799
to affect relief of minor ailments such

709
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,240
as backaches

710
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,440
and parapsychological lecturer rob

711
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:39,360
vouchers for having witnessed david

712
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:43,200
achieve a minor healing in one of his

713
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,480
classes

714
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,240
the most recent case

715
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,399
and by far the most spectacular and

716
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,480
productive of youth going on a

717
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:53,120
mind-mashing paranormality

718
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,039
bender involves a laguna beach boy

719
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:59,840
formerly of anaheim chris kennedy a

720
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:02,880
slender blonde 12 year old has all the

721
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,159
appearance of an average kid next door

722
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:08,799
this softly spoken blue-eyed youngster

723
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,760
likes to play football enjoys surfing is

724
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,159
interested in motorcycling and a host of

725
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:16,880
other activities which one considers

726
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,519
normal for a boy his age

727
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,799
but today

728
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,200
he's bending knives

729
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:26,320
forks spoons keys coins

730
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,519
even heavy and irons with ease and i had

731
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,440
to look that one up an andein is a big

732
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,640
sort of metal object metal um

733
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:36,240
rod device you put in front of a

734
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:40,159
fireplace to stop fire the logs rolling

735
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,600
out

736
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,760
chris developed this strange power

737
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:45,360
through the guidance of his father

738
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,240
lawrence kennedy of south laguna

739
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,640
determined to master the same psychic

740
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,279
powers demonstrated by geller

741
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,320
kennedy for months concentrated on spoon

742
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,880
bending trying to produce the well-known

743
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,720
gela effect

744
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,480
despite exhausting efforts of

745
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,080
concentration and

746
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,200
willing the phenomenon to occur

747
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,640
and nothing happened

748
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,279
kennedy was frustrated and discouraged

749
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,000
but he hoped to emulate gillard's feats

750
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,240
in order to present an academic treatise

751
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,399
on his phenomenon

752
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,279
as the deadline for his paper drew near

753
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,159
panic welled up in him

754
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,640
the breakthrough came in early july

755
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,200
quietly effortlessly

756
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,600
no sparks no thunder no lightning it

757
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,799
just happened

758
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:35,600
kennedy was listening to a friend's list

759
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,240
concerto totally relaxed and absorbing

760
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,159
the beauty of the music

761
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:42,880
but all the while gently stroking the

762
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:46,640
spoon he invariably carried with him

763
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,080
and the spoon became limp began to bend

764
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:52,880
as kennedy explained it i simply forgot

765
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:55,919
my ego and continuous striving and

766
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,720
willing to achieve this and let a higher

767
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,559
power take over

768
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,840
son chris was stunned gee dad do you

769
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,519
think i could do that

770
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,120
of course you can son

771
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,679
and soon afterwards chris bent his first

772
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,600
spoon

773
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:13,600
oh to be a fly on the wall during that

774
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,230
but neither he nor his father were

775
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,480
prepared for the psychic

776
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,840
explosion

777
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,080
which occurred later one morning in

778
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,000
august kennedy was on the phone

779
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,240
conducting details of his psychic book

780
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,320
distribution business

781
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,640
while chris was in the kitchen trying

782
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,279
unsuccessfully to bend a fork

783
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:37,440
when his father got off the phone chris

784
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,399
confessed

785
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,840
dejectedly

786
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:40,720
dad

787
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,919
i can't do my stuff on this fork maybe

788
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,320
what you need is a spoon instead of a

789
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,960
fork kennedy suggested pulling open the

790
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,399
cutlery drawer

791
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,200
he was shocked he later told me to find

792
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,559
the drawer a mangled metal mess

793
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:57,679
forks

794
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:01,679
knives spoons can opener's basking whisk

795
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,440
and a tea kettle top were all contorted

796
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,519
a potato peeler was broken off at the

797
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,119
handle

798
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,440
this kid has been busy

799
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,159
kennedy fished for a spoon in the

800
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:15,760
dishwasher

801
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:18,639
more mangled silverware he went to the

802
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,520
sink

803
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,320
no usable cutlery there either

804
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,359
bemused kennedy scratched his head

805
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,280
probably with a bent fork

806
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,359
what the heck are we going to use for

807
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,760
dinner he pondered aloud

808
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,440
entering the living room he discovered

809
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,359
more metal mayhem

810
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,440
the corner of the bird cage was bent out

811
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,240
of line the metal rabbit ear antenna on

812
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:42,480
the tv were bent

813
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,079
the tv stand magazine rack was contorted

814
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,879
and one metal strand broken

815
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,119
metal camping cookware laid out for a

816
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,440
forthcoming vacation trip looked like

817
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,960
rejects from a junk swap meet

818
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,960
kennedy contacted members of the news

819
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,200
media in orange county to apprise them

820
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,720
of the incident

821
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,480
the national enquirer got wind of this

822
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,760
phenomenon and wanted details

823
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,240
but before the kennedy's mass metal

824
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,480
bending experience had become publicly

825
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:15,119
known their psychokinetic powers had

826
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:16,680
come to the attention of

827
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,920
parapsychological researcher stuart robb

828
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:21,680
also of anaheim

829
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,720
rob lost no time in delving further into

830
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,440
the kennedy's apparent psychic power

831
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:29,920
while interviewing the two at lunch in a

832
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,640
fullerton restaurant rob began his

833
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,040
inquiry by having chris try his hand at

834
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,440
psychometry the process of holding an

835
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:39,359
article in the hand

836
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,079
and

837
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:43,119
tuning in on specific details of the

838
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,400
article's owner

839
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,240
or the article itself

840
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,160
chris performed well

841
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,400
rob then handed him a chinese fortune

842
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,320
cookie and asked him to

843
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,119
read the hidden contents

844
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,839
chris cupped the cookie in his hands

845
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,359
closed his eyes

846
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,000
and concentrated

847
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,119
minutes later he hesitantly quoted the

848
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,839
message received in his mind

849
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:09,359
the

850
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,720
night

851
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,720
life is

852
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,000
fortune

853
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,839
rob opened the cookie and read the

854
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:18,400
printed fortune on the tiny slip of

855
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,440
paper

856
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,680
the night life is for you

857
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,800
it read

858
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,040
excited rob picked up another fortune

859
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,119
cookie and handed it to chris

860
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,720
now read this one

861
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,520
chris appeared puzzled disappointed rob

862
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,839
said because he kept getting the same

863
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,480
message chris commented that the first

864
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,280
message must be lingering

865
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,800
that he could not get it out of his mind

866
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,720
all he could receive was the same

867
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,839
reading

868
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,960
the night

869
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,280
life is for you

870
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,440
rob opened the second cookie the fortune

871
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:54,400
reading was identical to the first well

872
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,000
talk about a rigorous scientific test

873
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,920
on another occasion at rob's home the

874
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,160
fortune cookie experiment was repeated

875
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,880
this time according to rob chris scored

876
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,960
with 100

877
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:08,400
accuracy

878
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:09,920
astounding

879
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:12,400
impressed with chris's abilities

880
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,200
rob stated chris unquestionably has

881
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:17,680
genuine psychic powers and they're

882
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:20,400
growing more powerful every day

883
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,760
there's simply no other way he could

884
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:23,520
have known the contents of the fortune

885
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,480
cookies

886
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,960
i saw to that myself

887
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,359
to verify chris's apparent powers i

888
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,359
interviewed him and his father at their

889
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,760
modest apartment rob and his family were

890
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,040
also present

891
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,599
i examined the twisted kitchenware the

892
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:39,920
mis-shaped birdcage and the bent

893
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,800
rabbit-ear antenna the camping cookware

894
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,160
ludicrously

895
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,960
malformed at rob's suggestion chris

896
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,880
proceeded to demonstrate his ability to

897
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,760
bend

898
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,040
kitchenware

899
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,920
a good-looking youngster chris seemed

900
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:55,599
natural as rain

901
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,400
dressed in blue jeans a t-shirt and a

902
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:00,960
string of wooden beads around his neck

903
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,800
he appeared relaxed and happy to perform

904
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,920
for us

905
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,320
we watched as he gently stroked a spoon

906
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,520
within minutes it had angled to 90

907
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:12,800
degrees

908
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,599
minutes later it had almost doubled back

909
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,920
with the trace of a smile chris set it

910
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,440
on the floor to join an array of

911
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,520
misshapen silverware displayed for our

912
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,960
benefit

913
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,520
and in brackets it says here

914
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,000
today he has a suitcase full of

915
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,960
contorted knives spoons and forks which

916
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:33,040
he has accumulated through repeated

917
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,240
demonstrations and his father continues

918
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:39,520
to foot an ever mounting bill for

919
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,119
replacement silverware in brackets

920
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,000
rob suggested another experiment

921
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:48,320
producing a wrist watch which no longer

922
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,200
worked

923
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,599
he asked chris to see if he could make

924
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,200
the hands move

925
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,119
we hovered over chris watching him

926
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:57,680
closely the boy held the watch on both

927
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,640
sides

928
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,200
not saying a word just concentrating his

929
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,920
fingers remained immobile

930
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,920
we were positive that he had made no

931
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,560
effort to rotate the stem within the

932
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,320
first two minutes there was barely

933
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,160
perceptible movement

934
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:14,880
the minute hand had crept ahead five

935
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,839
minutes suddenly the minute hand began

936
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,920
traveling within a matter of seconds the

937
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,520
minute hand had made a complete

938
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,599
revolution around the face of the watch

939
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,079
with no movement of chris's fingers

940
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,079
later during the same interview chris

941
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:30,720
picked up a potato peeler already bent

942
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,119
to a 45 degree angle

943
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,920
he stroked it for a few moments then

944
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,160
held it in one hand

945
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:40,320
watching it fixedly

946
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:44,320
moments later it snapped in two

947
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,440
wow

948
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,200
now just pause here and comment like i

949
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,280
did last week what i'm reading now

950
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,280
is a

951
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:53,520
textbook 101 description

952
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,400
of

953
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,599
uh the spoon bending magic trick

954
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,839
and the watches too and the watches are

955
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:01,520
interesting because

956
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,800
as randy uh pointed out

957
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:06,960
and put to the test

958
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,000
especially when you have many watches

959
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,680
for example if you're

960
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,280
pretending to be psychic and you go on

961
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,880
the radio and you say to all the

962
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,040
audience everybody run to your cupboards

963
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,720
and get old watches that haven't worked

964
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,160
for years

965
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,560
and in the 1970s there would be more of

966
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,480
those around than now i think

967
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:26,079
the old

968
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,750
wind up

969
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,440
so people would run they would hold the

970
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,599
watches in their hand thus warming up

971
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,640
the

972
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,599
oil

973
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:41,119
they would shake them they would wind

974
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,319
them up they'd do all sorts of things

975
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,760
and some would work

976
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,680
of course some would work even if it's

977
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,000
only for a little while and then those

978
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,000
people would ring up the radio station

979
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,920
and say it's amazing i held my watch and

980
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,359
concentrated and

981
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,520
the watch began to work

982
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,920
but yes what i'm reading now is a stock

983
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,079
standard stuff but let's pick up the

984
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,920
story again

985
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:04,079
moments later it snapped into

986
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,480
chris again with

987
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,560
just a trace of a smile handed the

988
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,960
pieces to me for examination still

989
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,280
another facet of chris's complex of

990
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:16,079
powers has been reported by rob

991
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:18,839
on two occasions rob engaged chris in

992
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,000
experimentation with that rob label's

993
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,319
independent writing

994
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,640
rob places a blank piece of paper on a

995
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,720
coffee table at his home

996
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,760
over it

997
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:31,760
face down he places a sheet of carbon

998
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,640
paper above this he places a page of

999
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,000
newspaper

1000
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,160
rob instructs chris

1001
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,560
now think of something pertaining to the

1002
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,319
world of music

1003
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,560
the boy held his hand above the paper

1004
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,960
for a few moments concentrating on rob's

1005
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,280
suggestion then they turned their

1006
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,599
attention to other experiments letting

1007
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:53,920
the independent writing experiment cook

1008
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,520
as rob recounted 45 minutes later

1009
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,599
rob continued

1010
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,800
i removed the carbon paper and clearly

1011
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,040
imprinted in block letters on the

1012
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:08,000
original blank paper were the words

1013
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,440
paddy page

1014
00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:11,920
yet another experiment conducted at

1015
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,880
rob's home and for which he vouches

1016
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,640
unreservedly involved the mechanical

1017
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,520
poker hand dealing device

1018
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,640
push the button and five wheels spin

1019
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,200
one at a time the drums abruptly halt

1020
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,079
revealing the image of a playing card

1021
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,640
three times according to rob young chris

1022
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,040
correctly predicted the suit of all five

1023
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,079
playing cards displayed by the device

1024
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,000
what distinguishes chris from the other

1025
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,400
two youngsters described earlier

1026
00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:45,839
is the tremendous ever widening scope of

1027
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,280
his psychic abilities in addition to

1028
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,920
psychokinesis

1029
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,440
psychometrics

1030
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,680
and independent writing

1031
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,760
kennedy and rob report successful

1032
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,400
experiments with chris in archaeological

1033
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,200
psychometry precognition telepathy

1034
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,200
automatic writing clear audio astral

1035
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,240
travel and astral projection transfer of

1036
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,000
psychokinetic power

1037
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,119
and most recently psychic healing

1038
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,640
possibly the most significant

1039
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,960
development in chris's career

1040
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,359
are his reported psychic healings a

1041
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,000
number of parapsychological researchers

1042
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,599
have observed these

1043
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,000
healings including rob and kenneth

1044
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,480
mckenzie director of research at the

1045
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:28,640
cinetics research and education

1046
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,319
foundation anaheim

1047
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,560
effected through meditation

1048
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,359
with no physical contact chris's father

1049
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,079
claims that more than 50 persons have

1050
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,720
experienced immediate relief in some

1051
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,440
instances perhaps a cure

1052
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,920
from a variety of physical ailments such

1053
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:48,720
as hearing loss impaired eyesight

1054
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,079
rheumatism

1055
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,640
and crippling arthritis

1056
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,040
while mackenzie points out that no

1057
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,119
conclusions can be drawn without

1058
00:44:02,470 --> 00:43:59,680
follow-up studies and documentation by

1059
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,480
medical authorities he readily vouches

1060
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,440
for observing the reactions of subjects

1061
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,920
who have declared immediate improvement

1062
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,319
in their condition the most dramatic

1063
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:12,960
instance of healing claimed by kennedy

1064
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,520
occurred in mid-november at the church

1065
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:18,640
of revelation anaheim where he and chris

1066
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,240
gave a demonstration of psychic healing

1067
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,800
it involved a 26 year old man kennedy

1068
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:27,040
reports confined to a wheelchair who

1069
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,319
stated i haven't walked in five years

1070
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,720
i'll never walk normally again

1071
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,800
after applying their meditation

1072
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,680
technique kennedy states that the man

1073
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,160
got up from his wheelchair walked across

1074
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,880
the stage and back to his wheelchair the

1075
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,880
occurrence was witnessed by and is

1076
00:44:49,950 --> 00:44:47,760
vouched for by the church's reverend

1077
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,960
richard

1078
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,240
parapsychologists came up with a variety

1079
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:55,680
of definitions of this psychic power

1080
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,960
as well as experiments or theories

1081
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,440
regarding its source often with

1082
00:45:08,829 --> 00:45:04,400
religious overtones yet the consensus is

1083
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,839
firm the power is undeniably real

1084
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:10,960
1976 huh

1085
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,520
in fact this power has been captured on

1086
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:16,319
film in oh here we go again from last

1087
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,119
week

1088
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:20,000
in kerlian photography experiments at

1089
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,200
ucla's

1090
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,040
neuropsychiatric institute curling

1091
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,599
photography developed in russia is the

1092
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,520
sending of an electrical charge through

1093
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:32,079
an object placed on film the result is a

1094
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,440
picture showing the surface

1095
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,599
characteristics of the object along with

1096
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,400
the image of the emanation of

1097
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:41,839
energy field contained in the object

1098
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,520
physicists call it the cold emissions

1099
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,359
coming from the object

1100
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,920
other researchers label it as the corona

1101
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,200
discharge

1102
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,160
life force or aura the russians called

1103
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,400
the image of this force

1104
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:58,640
the bioplasma

1105
00:46:01,950 --> 00:45:59,599
body

1106
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,960
call it what you will but

1107
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,640
ucla experiments

1108
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,359
photographed a dramatic surge of this

1109
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,079
power spurting from psychic yuri

1110
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,480
geller's fingertip

1111
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,480
i have watched chris's performance on

1112
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,359
several occasions but unquestionably the

1113
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:19,760
spookiest experience i have had with him

1114
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,640
involved a serious prediction

1115
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:24,480
or warning

1116
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:27,680
late in the afternoon of august 27

1117
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,240
kennedy called me from

1118
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,200
anderson california where he and chris

1119
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,839
were vacationing with relatives the

1120
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,000
urgency in kennedy's voice was

1121
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,880
unmistakable he told me that chris had

1122
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,520
entered a trance-like state on two

1123
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,640
occasions both times communicating

1124
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,599
repeatedly with images of john f kennedy

1125
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,160
and robert f kennedy at which time chris

1126
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,319
received urgent warnings of an impending

1127
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:56,240
attempt against the life of president

1128
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,280
ford

1129
00:47:01,390 --> 00:46:59,280
kennedy asked if i would notify the

1130
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,400
newswire services

1131
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,119
instinctively

1132
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:05,599
i shrank from the idea

1133
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:08,800
no news bureau i felt certain would

1134
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:11,680
touch the incident with a 20-foot pole

1135
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,560
but kennedy persisted before he hung up

1136
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,000
he urged me

1137
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,960
do something please i just don't want

1138
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,440
this hanging over my conscience half an

1139
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,599
hour later i relayed kennedy's account

1140
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,720
to the night shift chief of associated

1141
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,960
press's los angeles bureau

1142
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,280
his reaction did not surprise me

1143
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,400
skepticism fear of a hoax suspicion of

1144
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,440
publicity hunting strictly flaky as

1145
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,040
newsmen label it

1146
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,599
however after vouching for chris's

1147
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:43,359
observed abilities

1148
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,640
i secured the shift chief's promise to

1149
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,800
contact the san francisco bureau and

1150
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,119
suggested that someone contact kennedy

1151
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,559
by phone

1152
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,760
no call

1153
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:55,280
was ever made

1154
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:58,800
on friday august 29 we had just locked

1155
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,040
up the front page at the register it was

1156
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:03,760
11 am no late breaking stories

1157
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,040
compelling us to burst into page one

1158
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:09,680
until five minutes later when the

1159
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,280
slot man rushed from the teletype room

1160
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,760
waving an urgent ap dispatch dateline

1161
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,920
washington the story began the secret

1162
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,680
service is investigating threats to kill

1163
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,040
president ford and vice president

1164
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,160
rockefeller in dallas texas and new york

1165
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,480
a spokesman said today we're aware of

1166
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,640
threats in new york and a threat in

1167
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,119
dallas and we're investigating

1168
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,520
said the spokesman ken lynch

1169
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,160
he declined to give further details

1170
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,640
i contacted rob relaying the details of

1171
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,480
chris's earlier warning

1172
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:43,760
then the contents of the ap dispatch

1173
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,640
quoted above rob was skeptical chris has

1174
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,720
undeniable psychic powers

1175
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,040
he commented but i seriously doubt he's

1176
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,720
able to communicate with spirits on a

1177
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:55,599
higher plane so to speak and with that

1178
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,640
rob dismissed the episode suggesting

1179
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,400
that it might have been

1180
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,040
auto suggestion in chris's subconscious

1181
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,640
mind playing tricks

1182
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:06,960
but several days later associated press

1183
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,079
flashed word of an attempt against

1184
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,480
ford's life near the state capital in

1185
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:13,760
sacramento

1186
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,200
secret service men had wrestled

1187
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,079
lynette squeaky from me i think it's

1188
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,440
pronounced a manson family member to the

1189
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,559
ground after she had brandished a loaded

1190
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,200
automatic and aimed it at arms length

1191
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,119
range at president ford

1192
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,240
seventeen days later on september 22nd

1193
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,559
sarah jane moore 45

1194
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,200
linked to a number of bay area radical

1195
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,240
groups was seized in san francisco after

1196
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:45,920
she fired a 33-caliber revolver at ford

1197
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:49,119
even today a disturbing uneasiness gnaws

1198
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,160
at me

1199
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:53,200
fortuitous a lucky shot in the dark

1200
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:54,079
or

1201
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,359
does young chris stand at the threshold

1202
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,079
of a new dimension a newly discovered

1203
00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:02,559
source of power which begs for

1204
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:04,540
scientific inquiry

1205
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,559
[Music]

1206
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,000
and there are various pictures

1207
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,000
accompanying this let's see the first

1208
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,920
one which is sort of at the bottom of

1209
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,160
the page here we go

1210
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,640
we have a nice photograph of young chris

1211
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,640
with his long blonde hair

1212
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,079
his father

1213
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,200
with a long dark hair and a beard

1214
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:29,920
with a table full

1215
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,760
of bent cutlery and iron rods and keys

1216
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,000
and forks and i don't know what lawrence

1217
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,880
kennedy son chris check twisted metal

1218
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,680
objects kennedy's now are engaged in

1219
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,839
experiments with psychic healing it's

1220
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,760
staggering table of

1221
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,400
bent metal in front of them another

1222
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:50,880
photograph here is

1223
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,640
a group of people david shows mangled

1224
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,040
spoon to family sister april the

1225
00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:59,839
shepherds encourage boy again there's a

1226
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,119
family there of david shepard with

1227
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,280
mangled spoons on the table in front of

1228
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:07,280
him has the family

1229
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,400
look on

1230
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,880
and lastly at the bottom of the page

1231
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,720
curling photograph

1232
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,440
captures psychic energy

1233
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,440
curly and photo sorry i could

1234
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,280
get myself together curly and photo

1235
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,359
captures psychic energy

1236
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:23,760
burst is from fingertip of psychic

1237
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:32,069
so there you go the strange story or

1238
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,599
maybe the not so strange story of kids

1239
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,400
in the 1970s

1240
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,640
having a bit of fun with bending all

1241
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,240
sorts of things

1242
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:44,720
to ridiculous levels

1243
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:48,400
and the story maybe more importantly is

1244
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:51,520
about the what would we might call these

1245
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,040
days enablers the adults in the room who

1246
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:56,640
are happy to go along with this

1247
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,359
encourage the the child

1248
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:01,200
and

1249
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,319
quite frankly turn a blind eye or sheer

1250
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,040
ignorance to the obvious trickery going

1251
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,520
on at the time

1252
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:11,280
but then again maybe the editor of the

1253
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,040
newspaper it being 1976 was quite happy

1254
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,440
to run a story which

1255
00:52:20,060 --> 00:52:18,800
promoted the paranormal and the

1256
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:20,070
supernatural

1257
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,599
[Music]

1258
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,680
and you too can find out all sorts of

1259
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,119
things about the paranormal and the

1260
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,680
supernatural and everything else

1261
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,760
by visiting online resources for

1262
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,000
digitized newspapers it's a great way to

1263
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,240
spend an afternoon looking up all sorts

1264
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,400
of interesting things

1265
00:52:43,570 --> 00:52:38,160
because

1266
00:52:43,580 --> 00:53:00,870
[Music]

1267
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,470
thank you for listening to the skeptic's

1268
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,559
own podcast this week a few

1269
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,319
announcements from me

1270
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,800
some covert related

1271
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,520
for

1272
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,480
oh a year or two now on the skeptic's

1273
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,200
own website i've had a link to corona

1274
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,280
conspiracy.cloud

1275
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,520
this was a place people could upload

1276
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,160
flyers and information leaflets

1277
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,040
what have you about corona conspiracies

1278
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,280
bad information

1279
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,599
leaflets posters whatever

1280
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:31,839
that uh has sadly come to an end we

1281
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,240
can't upload there anymore but that's

1282
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,559
okay it's sort of done its job

1283
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:38,960
with many many many many examples of

1284
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,400
corona madness being uploaded they're

1285
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,040
all now in an archive for future

1286
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,119
referral and i think it's a very

1287
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,559
important um

1288
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:51,119
slice of history that we've managed to

1289
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,640
catch there

1290
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:54,960
and a big thank you to all the people

1291
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,640
who uploaded corona conspiracy

1292
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,720
nonsense to that website we have them

1293
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,680
now

1294
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,839
and a big thank you to the person behind

1295
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,359
putting that together who wishes to

1296
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:08,400
remain anonymous but really thank you so

1297
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,400
much it was invaluable what you did

1298
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,880
and it will be an invaluable reference

1299
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,160
for the future

1300
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:19,280
but yes some of these corona

1301
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,480
uh conspiracy um and bad advice is still

1302
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:23,599
coming in

1303
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,800
and listener graham donald eagle eyed as

1304
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,839
ever

1305
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,800
has come across these or this particular

1306
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,079
flyer

1307
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,350
brief overview it's

1308
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,680
[Music]

1309
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,079
pages well it's a double page

1310
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,839
printed on both sides

1311
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,920
on the first side we have a couple of

1312
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,319
cartoon children looking very happy oh

1313
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:48,480
dancing away

1314
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:52,400
covered vaccine for kids question mark

1315
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,520
have you considered all the facts

1316
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,280
all risk

1317
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,520
no gain

1318
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,359
all risk

1319
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:03,920
no gain this is what these people really

1320
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,799
think

1321
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:06,799
the future is theirs don't gamble with

1322
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:07,839
it

1323
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:12,000
2021 prime minister scott morrison

1324
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:14,079
announced that covert 19 vaccines for

1325
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,200
children

1326
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:17,599
aged 5 to 11 would commence from january

1327
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,880
10 2022 this injection is still in phase

1328
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,079
free trial

1329
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,839
trial complete date

1330
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:26,400
1st of january 2023

1331
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,270
survival rate children have a near zero

1332
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,599
risk of dying from coveting we know that

1333
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,119
the injection neither prevents

1334
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:40,000
transmission nor provides immunity

1335
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,000
and has been causing many deaths and

1336
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,319
adverse reactions around the world long

1337
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:46,240
time side effects are not known on it

1338
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,760
goes you've heard it all before it's the

1339
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,359
same

1340
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:51,119
uh baloney

1341
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:52,559
malarkey

1342
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,000
flapdoodle as we've heard many times and

1343
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,960
the leaflet goes on on page two

1344
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,520
scan this qr code to watch 10 videos to

1345
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,280
get further information

1346
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,119
and then it lists lots of sites

1347
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:07,839
including parents with questions

1348
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:10,720
covered medical network

1349
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:14,640
australian vaccination risks network

1350
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:18,000
that long discredited

1351
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,599
uh outfit we just simply call the avn

1352
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,359
the same outfit that's had government

1353
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,440
warnings posted against it

1354
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,440
freedom keepers australia there's that

1355
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:28,960
word again freedom they love their

1356
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,079
freedom children's health defense

1357
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:34,319
voice for science and solidarity oh good

1358
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:35,200
heavens

1359
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,240
grow together schools the high wire

1360
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,319
vaccine choice australia vaccine choice

1361
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,920
australia that's an interesting one

1362
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,720
people for safe vaccines they wouldn't

1363
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:47,040
put anything on this if people were for

1364
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,520
vaccines people for safe vaccines or

1365
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,480
anti-vaxxers australians say no

1366
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,079
advocate me

1367
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:56,960
relative versus absolute risk reduction

1368
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,319
and it goes on scan this qr code it's

1369
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,119
another qr code to read this amazing

1370
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:05,760
risk versus benefit analysis by canadian

1371
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,000
covert care alliance

1372
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,520
more harm

1373
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,599
than good so these flyers

1374
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,280
these flies are still out and about

1375
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,880
folks

1376
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,079
and

1377
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,160
what has happened in the last week is

1378
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,559
we've had thousands of people turned up

1379
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,960
in canberra our nation's capital

1380
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,680
in a convoy so-called convoy

1381
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,400
and it's the usual suspects it's a

1382
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:30,640
confederation of

1383
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,760
uh anti-vaxxers conspiracy theorists

1384
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,079
people who think our freedom is about to

1385
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,920
disappear

1386
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:39,359
um

1387
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,400
and hangers on

1388
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,400
but they're loud they are of course

1389
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,559
they're in the minori the minority of

1390
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,079
australians are getting vaccinated and

1391
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,000
doing the right thing but these people

1392
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,079
are allowed and they've certainly shown

1393
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,839
in the past that they can

1394
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,359
slip into

1395
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,000
to violence although i think so far

1396
00:58:01,190 --> 00:58:00,000
i'm not sure if there's been many

1397
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,200
violent

1398
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,960
uh activities done in canberra they're

1399
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,400
still there

1400
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:05,839
and the

1401
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:08,240
politicians are coming back to canberra

1402
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,359
from their

1403
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,200
annual holidays

1404
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:13,119
so tomorrow might be an interesting day

1405
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,880
on that front

1406
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:16,880
but

1407
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,309
congratulating each other and thinking

1408
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,640
they're doing something amazing

1409
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,599
they still are a tiny minority of the

1410
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,040
population

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numerology inspired by today's segment

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